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May 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
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Justin
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I have never really liked the idea of allowing people to go back and make edits to their already submitted article. It defeats the purpose of allowing people to review every aspect of it good or bad. In the end, this is all to help the author to improve in the future. Like epic said, changing something that a person mentioned in their review would make the person who wrote the review look like he or she doesn't know what they're talking about.

What I really like that honestly I didn't think of and is perfectly reasonable is Phantom's suggestion to warn users of coding errors before they submit. Syntax errors like screwing up a bold tag is not really part of the article itself, and deserves a chance to be taken care of. Right now, you can look at the preview and they should stick out like a sore thumb. Even still, I really do like the whole 'error in the coding warning' idea. Thanks Phantom!
 
 
May 14, 2008 at 6:08 PM
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Michael
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Original Poster said:
I have never really liked the idea of allowing people to go back and make edits to their already submitted article. It defeats the purpose of allowing people to review every aspect of it good or bad. In the end, this is all to help the author to improve in the future. Like epic said, changing something that a person mentioned in their review would make the person who wrote the review look like he or she doesn't know what they're talking about.


I agree... but like I said earlier, what if we allowed members to submit a new version of an article, separately from the original? We could have a separate process for submitting a "revised" version of an article. I'm not sure if this is a good idea, yet, but I'm just throwing it out there.

For example, let's say I write a story, and a reviewer points out that I should try to improve this or get rid of that. Once I go and make those changes, should I be able to submit the article again, and see what people think of my improvements?

Of course, we don't want people submitting a thousand versions of one article, nor do we want people to resubmit an article that's still virtually the same as the original. So, we'd have to limit the number of resubmissions (one should be enough), and make it a rule that the "revised" article has to be substantially different from the previous version. (Otherwise nobody's going to want to look at it again.)

We wouldn't really need an automated "editing" system for this. We just need to decide if members should be able to submit an article a second time, after making significant changes. We could also find a way to have the "original" version and the "revised" version linked together somehow, so readers can easily go from one to the other.

By the way, there should also be a way for authors to link together a series of submissions (part 1, part 2, etc.), but that's another topic entirely.
 
 
May 14, 2008 at 9:51 PM
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Chaotictheory
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Yeah kinda what i said only in more detail
 
May 15, 2008 at 4:12 AM
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TNT
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EpicTeammate said:
Stuff I agree with


If we're going to allow people to submit revised editions as Epic suggests we do in place of an edit button on articles then we need some kind of guidelines as what exactly can constitute a legitimate revision. It's quite possible you could get someone who submits a piece of crap, gets it reviewed makes a few small changes, submits it, gets it reviewed again, makes a few small changes, but the article is still largely crap, wash rinse repeat. We then end up with shit loads of, for lack of a better word, spam within the system.

If revisions are going to be submitted then you need to/could do few things:

1) As has been suggested put a time limit of revisions, though personally I think a week is more than enough as it gives the person who's writing it time enough to put effort into making it better without being an overly long wait, but long enough to discourage idiots who keep on changing one or two words to an artcile.

2) Implement some form of system so that when a new version is submitted a message goes out to people who have already reviewed the original article letting them know a new version is available.

3) Possibly have some people, who for now I'll call moderators, who's job it is to look at revisions and deem if they are actually sufficiently altered enough to be allowed. If you have that then you can ensure that spam revisions, as I detailed above, don't get through.

4) Link the different versions of articles together in some way so if people want, they can see the progress made. That way its possible to give a better insight into how to improve the piece.

That's my thoughts anyway.
 
May 16, 2008 at 4:23 PM
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Phantom
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EpicTeammate said:
The day that an edit option is available on this site for articles is the day that I go out, buy a katana, and impale both Caleb and Justin for being idiots. The reason for submitting the article is for opinions on it at that exact time you hit the submit button in the space-time-continuum. There are no second chances, no re-dos, no nothing. If you feel like you could have improved upon the article, submit a revised version of it for hopefully better reception than the first horrible edition.

Since just about everyone wants to get a good rank on this site, since it is the greatest site in the entirety of the Internet, everyone is out to please everyone. Therefore, when Person A would mark down Person B's article for X problem, what would stop Person B from going in, and just erasing that simple problem? That would make Person A look like a total idiot, which would greatly amuse me, though it would be completely ineffective, because when one person knocks out something from the article, they will probably end up erasing everything but the letter Q from it, because no one can be angered by the letter Q, it is the perfect letter.

So if you want to edit you work, its called a word processor, not papertank. The reason you are given the ability to preview your article before submitting it is so that you can look it over for problems before looking like an idiot, which by judging the starter of this forum post, and those advocates that agree with editing articles, shouldn't even be submitting works in the first place. Think of this as an essay for school. You don't get to hand in a second essay just because you are a failure of a writer, unless your teacher is a complete pussy and pushover, so you have to get it right the first time.


You're right, unless we were talking about a very large submission like mine, halfwit. Word processors don't pick up on HTML tags. The only reason I need to edit is because some HTML tags gone wrong, and it can't be fixed manually. And a little word of extra, if you're the guy who down voted my submission, I'll rip you a new asshole so large that you'll fit entirely in it.
 
May 17, 2008 at 10:03 AM
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Caleb
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I'm planning on completely scrapping the "BBCode" tag system, and creating a much more simpler markup language. It will be somewhat similar to that of Wikipedia with easy header, bold, and italic markup, as well as a simple way to upload, position, and caption images.

Along with that, if it's feasible, I want to create an addition to the system where authors can simply upload word/rich text format documents, and they will automatically be formatted to the markup language, since it would save people a lot of time and would allow authors to easily avoid the errors that you speak of.
 
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